In Defence of Girly Girl Genres

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A while back I did a discussion on genre snobbery and one of the things that sparked that debate was something I never actually got around to mentioning in the post: the way a lot of women’s fiction and frankly anything aimed at women is treated with derision. I ended up going in a different direction for that piece- though I still had *so much* to say on the topic- which is why we’re finally gonna get into this sugar-and-spice-and-all-things-nice (and totally not controversial) topic 😉 Hold onto your bonnets and try not to get your petticoat in a twist, I’m about to go into the trenches!

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Needless to say, I don’t agree with this review

It’s not uncommon to see denigration of media aimed at females- particularly when it has the audacity to exhibit typically feminine traits 😉 In fact, recently, I was reading a review for the TV show Keeping Faith, when I saw this inane and ridiculous criticism that it had too much “girly music”. To me, a show about a female lawyer, fighting for justice, whilst also being an incredible mum and genuinely caring person is pretty positive piece of media, but what do I know? Apparently, even showing the teensiest bit of femininity must be slated 😉

And I can hardly pretend this is the first time. On a grander scale, Taylor Swift has oft been criticised for being “too girly”. And we can all remember the “AHH TWILIGHT SUCKS!!!” craze- which one could argue ended up being just as hysterical in the end as screaming girls shouting “bite me Edward!” (okay maybe not 😉). Funnily enough, I’m not arguing that Twilight is somehow a fantastic piece of art, but it’s surprising to me that it got so much backlash in mainstream media in a way that other trashy things don’t. For instance, I never see the same level of mockery for James Bond- even though it’s equally as fanciful and has its own issues. This is not an invitation to hate on James Bond- I think everyone is entitled to enjoy whatever they want- yet this chill attitude seems to go out the window when it’s a girly thing that people are enjoying. And, as entertaining as it may be watching everyone from college professors to 50-year-old blokes ripping into something aimed at teenage girls, I do think it would be good if there was *a bit* of perspective here. Not only is this taking said media much too seriously, but I personally believe women and girls should be able to explore their fantasies in a healthy way, free from this ridiculous level of scrutiny and judgement.

BUT I hear many people in the back shouting, why are you complaining, don’t you get a bunch of superhero/action-flick/dramas with female leads nowadays? Well, I’m glad you brought it up, kind heckler, because that’s part of the problem. I’m gonna be brutally honest: these are mostly movies made for men, by men, with a female lead shoehorned in. Don’t get me wrong, I usually enjoy a good action flick, yet I’m not seeing how a woman portraying entirely masculine traits represents most real women. We are constantly bombarded by the idea of what women *should* want to consume and how we *supposedly* behave, all the while any sign of femininity is snuffed out.

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In fact, we only have to look at what became of the rom com in Hollywood- cos it’s not like they died a natural death. No, instead, producers told us we didn’t want them anymore and stopped making them. Oh really– we don’t want them, even though most women I meet talk about how much they miss the rom com era of the nineties. Oh sure- we don’t want them- despite the box office success of Crazy Rich Asians, popularity of Netflix rom coms and (remarkably) the surge of affection for the Hallmark channel of all things!

None of this is to stoke revolutionaries to *punch the air* and shout “LET’S TAKE AWAY JAMES BOND FROM MEN THEN!” Unfortunately, I do see this response and I find that attitude counterproductive. As I’ve already mentioned, I actually like plenty of more masculinised media and think that men should have just as much space for their fantasies. HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean I want girly stories pushed aside. I think we can move past the idea that “girly” automatically means “less good”. I want to see women being more fairly represented as we are. And that shouldn’t be a controversial statement.

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Really good content on this:

The Attack on Femininity in Fiction: Masculine Women and Disempowered Men by the Authentic Observe – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jumw30_j9cs&t=2s

Trope Talk – Strong Female Characters by Jordan Harvey – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReE5n3jLdzk

Dear Stephanie Meyer by Lindsay Ellis – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O06tMbIKh0

Let’s Not Judge People on Literary Taste https://franlaniado.wordpress.com/2019/04/17/lets-not-judge-people-based-on-literary-taste/

Chivalry Dying in Books by Kelly @Another Book in the Wall https://anotherbookinthewall.com/2018/03/07/chivalry-dying-in-books-wednesday-rambles/

Also, Strong Female Characters, Mary Sues and Manic Pixie Dream Girls- What the Heck is Up with Female Characters in Books, by me 😉 https://theorangutanlibrarian.wordpress.com/2018/12/09/strong-female-characters-mary-sues-and-manic-pixie-dream-girls-and-what-the-heck-is-up-with-female-characters-in-books/

So do you agree or disagree with my defence of girly genres? Let me know in the comments!

92 thoughts on “In Defence of Girly Girl Genres

  1. THIIIIIIIIS!!!

    I am generally the opposite of the target audience for “girly” stuff – since I just don’t enjoy most of it – but since I am 110% a “live and let live” (sorry, no Bond pun intended, ha ha) person when it comes to entertainment, I truly get bothered by the flack rom-coms and such get lobbed at them. It basically is a form of sexism, and shows just how far we have to go, if the way to make-girly-stuff-less-girly is to make the-heroine-a-masculine-trope. UGH.

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  2. I’m so glad you made a post about this because it’s kind of a big problem in our society in terms of gender equality. If something has a large female following it doesn’t get the same kind of recognition as something with a male following. I often find myself hiding that I like these “girly” books, movies etc. which I really don’t want to but I feel it’s necessary to be respected.

    I like that you pointed out that this is not about men and what they like. This is about finding value in femininity and seeing it portrayed in popular media.
    Some of my favorite movies are those nineties rom-coms and I also want them back!

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    1. Yeah I relate to being ashamed of enjoying girly things or hiding it. And I’ve often been surprised by the sheer amount of vitriol aimed at girly products (especially ones aimed at teen girls). It’s a bit overblown.

      Absolutely! Yes!

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  3. I’m going to point out that when it comes to movies, the death of the romcom appears to be more about international sales numbers than gender.

    That’s not to say non-U.S. audiences don’t love romances (certainly they do in the Latin American and Asian markets) but that’s part of the problem. Those markets are already saturated with romances that don’t face the additional hurdles of needing linguistic or cultural translations.

    Whereas, Hollywood dominates the big action flick market because they have the most infrastructure and capital to support that kind of movie. As a bonus, they tend to involve more spectacle over speech and are easier to translate. The gains are much larger for movies that are formatted to dominate worldwide.

    Increasingly it’s the worldwide mass market that determines what movies are being made in the U.S. The domestic market is underserved in many areas. It’s not just romcoms–serious dramas, any non-action comedies, and psychological horror are also fewer and farther in between than they used to be.

    When I go to the movies it’s a struggle to find anything that isn’t an action or kids movie.

    That isn’t to say your point doesn’t stand–when they were being made more often, so-called “chick flicks” did get a lot of undue ridicule compared to action movies. I’m just not sure that’s the biggest factor behind why they aren’t being made at the moment.

    (Also, if you look into some of the labor structure, turns out it’s a lot easier to exploit digital SFX and animation contractors because the unionization in that corner of the industry is so much weaker than you see with crews, actors, and writers. I suspect labor exploitation is also part of why we see more action movies and children’s movies than just about anything else).

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    1. Ok so the death of rom coms in Hollywood is really complicated. In the post I was referring to the fact that the argument usually perpetuated around the death of rom coms is that people didn’t want them anymore- which was never true (it had more to do with the rise in piracy, which was affecting all cinemas/movies). So, it wasn’t there was no market, and there’s definitely money to be made (third biggest grossing film is still titanic, crazy rich Asians was one of the biggest last year).
      And while I definitely agree with you that Hollywood make action movies to cater to the foreign market, they didn’t used to neglect the domestic market (where there is still a lot of money to be made). Which is especially strange since the domestic market isn’t in such good shape- they’ve been inflating ticket prices, while the number of sales have declined.
      And I do agree this mentality of selling to the foreign market more has affected how many other types of movies they make as well- but I wasn’t really trying to make that point.
      Just to clarify, I’m not saying Hollywood are running some sexist conspiracy here or anything like that. That really wasn’t my point. My argument was more to do with the fact there is a gap in the market that could be filled (not saying it should be or that they have to).
      The only part I find genuinely surprising is when Hollywood says “here, this movie’s for women!” and it’s yet another movie aimed at men. But again, not saying this is gendered/sexist, just that it’s bad marketing and always reminds me that they aren’t really making many “girly” movies anymore.
      Hope that clarifies my thoughts!

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      1. That’s fair, I kind of went on a tangent. But I do think they market the “girl” movies that way because they really want to hit a larger market but jump on the zeitgeist of a particularly shallow brand of twitter feminism. Riot Grrrl power and all that with the very lazy trope of “Strong Female Character” being literally strong (this is also lazy with male heroes tbh, punching things is not a personality).

        But, and this supports both our points I think–the disparagement of “girly” movies does create a situation where the market interested in that will ALSO see action movies, but the reverse is not true.
        Meaning the larger market is still in male-oriented media. In an environment where the tendency is to make fewer, bigger movies for the largest profit per movie this will result in femme-friendly content getting passed over for, or changed by producers into, masculinized or androgynized content.

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        1. That’s totally fine- I don’t mind tangents. And yeah I see that a lot- but I think Hollywood makes a mistake falling for that cos a) a lot of women like me can see through it and aren’t interested and b) the people that do say it often don’t turn up (a bit like the demand for certain kinds of comics that ended up tanking sales. And on the movie side it’s not like people were flocking to see a female ghostbusters 😉 ).

          I think that’s a fair point- except I think it has something to do with listening to the vocal minority and not what people are doing with their money- a lot of people turn up to these movies (the sales figures for fifty shades and twilight, for instance, are indicative of how well they can do). Basically, I do agree with you that there’s an attempt to androgenize/masculinise a lot of content now, just not why that is (I think they’re doing it cos they’ve fallen for a narrative that people don’t want it/won’t turn up for it, when everything sales-wise indicates the opposite).

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  4. Great post on an interesting, but tricky topic! I agree that some entertainment with feminine traits is treated with derision. Perhaps this is linked to cultural perception. James Bond / Jack Reacher are considered cool and have female fans as well, whereas it is less accepted for males to openly adore Twilight. This bias will probably contribute to the skewed criticism you see in the media.

    On the other hand, I think one needs to be careful to divide everything into male/female traits and just judge based on merits. Saying that Taylor Swift is too girly is in my opinion not a valid criticism, but saying she is boring, not edgy, etc is valid.

    Don’t know about rom com’s – you would expect Hollywood to produce whatever sells. But again, this might be due to perception (not considered arty to produce rom com’s).

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    1. Thank you! Yeah it is a tricky topic to navigate! I think that’s true to an extent- but tbh while there might be fans, I think they’re as common as male fans of twilight (anecdotally I’ve met as many female fans of Bond as I have male fans of twilight) I’ll be honest- part of the disparity comes from women/girls not minding bond- possibly cos a number think it’s hot when he takes his top off 😂 Just my opinion. I think part of the skew comes from people actively taking time out of their day to break down why twilight’s bad- and that includes women trying to distance themselves from it (men who don’t like James Bond also exist- but they don’t feel the need to talk about it). I dunno, like you said, it’s a hard topic.

      I do agree with you there!

      I agree with you there- but they’ve been neglecting the domestic market in lots of ways (not just rom coms) for years- and it’s telling in ticket sales, if not in money (cos they inflate the prices to make up the difference). They also have a tendency to think we were desperate for a female version of Ghostbusters, so I’m not sure they always make the right call on what they think will sell tbh 😂

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  5. This is a great post! I like a lot of “girly” stuff but my tastes are broad. I wish that we wouldn’t shoehorn female characters in to male roles though. Some of that is OK to an extent but why try to fit a woman as James Bond (traditionally an iconic male fantasy figure) instead of giving women the space to write and create their own stories and their own iconic characters? I’m not against trying women in some male roles experimentally, but it seems like a shortcut a lot of people take: “we need to be more inclusive, so let’s make Character XYZ a woman.” That doesn’t really give women more of a voice than they had previously. They’re still telling a male story, essentially.

    I also think that books/films/shows that speak to female fantasies (in the way James Bond does for men) are unfairly criticized. I mean, yes, romance novels aren’t always realistic. Are action movies? Of course not! Why would readers of a romance novel or a viewer of a rom com expect their life to be exactly like that, if readers of a sci-fi novel don’t close their book and expect to go off and fight alien invaders?!

    Thanks for the link to my post!

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    1. Thank you so much!

      I completely agree, I have varied tastes, and that includes girly books (which are all too often overlooked). The way I see it, I need my kickass stories as much as I need my romance 😉 and I really agree with you on that front- to be honest I get very tired of the constant reboots anyway. The gender swapping is especially annoying cos it’s treated like this big achievement- I wish there was more space to create something new instead of just taking over old properties. And yeah, I’ve always been a massive Buffy fan, for instance, but that was unique story (and in my view actually did a great job of incorporating the fact she’s a woman). And I agree- they’re still male stories- just in high heels and makeup 😉

      And yes absolutely agree with you! I’ve always had a problem with fantastical stories, of any kind, being criticised for being fantasy. I mean, that’s the point! But it’s even more weird that too often one kind of fantasy is denigrated in comparison to others (i mean, obviously ordinary girl and hot supernatural being fall in love is so much more far fetched than superpowered action hero saves the day 😉 ) hehe I know right- shockingly most of us have figured out it’s not real 😉

      No problem! It was a great post! 🙂

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  6. Yes to everything in this post!!!!

    I especially love what you said about a lot of action movies still being geared towards men. There are actually so few movies *for women* about women that don’t revolve around romance. Not that there’s anything wrong with romance, but some actual life would be nice as well.

    (also as a side note, I went to high school with Jordan Harvey so it’s always weird seeing her brought up by other people lol)

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    1. Glad you liked it!! 🙂

      YES! I really agree with you! I feel like every time a movie comes out nowadays for women nowadays, it really isn’t. That’s not to say these movies shouldn’t exist, but like you said, it’d be nice if there were more movies about women for women.

      Oh my goodness that’s so funny and cool! Lol! Her channel is great! 🙂

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  7. Yes! Absolutely! I’ve noticed this trend in action movies as well where a woman is shoe-horned in and essentially given masculine traits. That’s one of the reasons I loved the Wonder Woman movie. She is still able to kick-ass and take names, but the film doesn’t punish her for exhibiting more traditionally feminine traits such as deep empathy for the weak. This may have something to do with the fact that a woman helped direct this film, but I can’t be sure.

    There is this weird trend in Hollywood that says women aren’t allowed to be portrayed as emotionally vulnerable or traditionally girly. I’m totally on board with strong female characters but most of them don’t really act like real women, they act like women pretending to be men.

    We need to stop treating women that like rom-coms and romance stuff like trash and making claims that they are somehow destroying decades of feminism.

    I like that you cited Lindsay Ellis’s video in this post. This is one of my favorite video essays of hers.

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    1. I absolutely agree with you there! and that’s very true- that was a very central part of her character that really worked.

      I do agree with you completely there! It always makes me think of Buffy and how well that was handled- yes she was kickass, but a huge part of her character was having feminine traits, being a sister etc.

      Absolutely! I couldn’t agree more.

      And yes it’s excellent (I always like watching her videos as well 🙂 )

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  8. I hear you! I’ll be honest and say that I don’t really care for girly girl stuff (and never have) but that’s because it’s just not something I relate to. I’ve always been a “tomboy”. I don’t wear dresses or makeup. I rarely do my hair or my nails anymore, or even wear high heels… I do listen to “girly” music I guess?

    The difference is that I don’t watch it/read it because I don’t relate to it. Not because I see it as some attack on feminism. To each his/her own, as you so eloquently put it. Great discussion topic!

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  9. I certainly agree with you, but think that possibly the terms “girly” and “chick-lit” might infer that they are lighter or less important than the male counterparts. I like to think of it as “female” or maybe “relationship” literature. By the way, I love “Keeping Faith” story and music:)

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    1. Yeah I hear you, I just think that while it can be lighter, it doesn’t mean it’s bad. A lot of superhero movies are supposed to be fun for instance and critics usually take them for what they’re supposed to be- I don’t see mainstream journalists tearing apart even the worst superhero movies as much as, say, Twilight. but you make a good point. It’s awesome! 😀

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  10. I would also like to point how these ‘gender war games’ have also played a very significant role in the decline of the rom-com era in Hollywood. Most women want to compete with everything Male related/dominant in a way that has reached to a point that it’s becoming a bit ridiculous. I don’t mean to offend anyone but when it came to pushing their way into this industry, they seemed to get it into their heads that just giving us one genre – romance – meant belittling our abilities and making fun of what we could otherwise have achieved in the movie industry. It’s not to say that I don’t like the female boss/empowerment movies because I ABSOLUTELY DO! But I also believe that the decline was somewhat our fault too when we started demanding far more female leads in usually male-dominant movies and ultimately forgetting that rom-com is a genre that women all around relate most to and this must not be stepped on and crushed for the sake of competition.

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    1. Gosh you make an excellent point. I hadn’t thought about it from that angle, so thank you for mentioning this. And yes, I really agree with you. A lot of women really want stories about collaboration and coming together- which is kind of the point of rom coms- but instead most movies are about competition. I’m actually really glad you mentioned this, cos it reminds me of a few recent “rom coms” (that aren’t really rom coms at all) where it’s all about competition (like Mommy Wars, I think? can’t remember) Then, when these movies that aren’t rom coms at all, don’t do well, executives say “see, people don’t really want the revival of rom coms”. It’s incredibly frustrating. Sorry, bit tangential there.

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      1. Haven’t seen Mommy Wars but I am sure it’s as bad as you say (meaning not a rom-com at all) because that’s just how they roll in the film industry these days. Women centric movies these days means one thing and one thing only – competition, a hell lot of competition. And hey, Bride Wars was a competition BUT they weren’t competing against a specific gender group, right? THAT was a classic rom-com. ❤️ I agree, it’s frustrating that we are limited to a group of old (although still a lot of fun) movies and there is no hope of new ones in the future either. Sad. So sad.

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        1. Yeah I think I might have got the wrong name tbh- I keep trying to think of it and it slips my mind- probably cos I blotted it out 😂 but the plot was basically a bunch of mums arguing and attacking each other… not the kind of movie I think is something that really appeals to women. True! Yeah it is really sad.

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  11. “I think we can move past the idea that “girly” automatically means “less good”.” SO TRUE!!
    In my opinion, any sort of boxes, categories, and prejudice don’t do anyone any favors and set us back. Just do/be you and let everyone else do the same.

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  12. I can’t remember where I read this, but someone once said that if women write about relationships, it’s “women’s fiction” or “chic-lit” but if men write about relationships, it’s “literary fiction.” Says a lot, I think (and I hope that I am wrong/such ways of classifying books become outdated soon!)

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  13. YES!! Wonder Woman was how you do a female superhero movie. Captain Marvel… was not.
    And I am wholeheartedly here for bringing back the 90’s rom-com!! More chick-lit!! More contemporary novels with female MCs and strong female friendships and platonic male friendships and less books where the girl wanders around after the love interest with heart eyes and that’s all that happens!!

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  14. 13/10 agree. I don’t always want a girly-girl movie (or book, or whatever) but I WANT THE OPTION. And I so miss the era of rom-coms! I miss variety in the cinema! And Crazy Rich Asians was a great movie and everyone I’ve talked to about it loved it, so why on Earth does Hollywood think that we don’t want rom-coms? (Or diverse casts, but that’s another topic.)

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    1. YES! Completely agree! it’s not that I want only rom coms/girly-girl movies, but I wish when 10 movies come to the cinema one weekend, at least one of them was a rom com/romance? I can count on one hand the number of big blockbuster romances in the last few years- which is so weird! And yes, I completely agree about Crazy Rich Asians- I loved that movie, went to go see it, and would pay for more like that- so why don’t they make more like that? (that too)

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  15. I DO miss the era of romcoms! I hadn’t even really realized that it disappeared because I just stuff myself full of Netflix and Hallmark, but I can’t remember the last time I watched a romcom movie that came out post-2010. Oh, this is so sad to realize.

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  16. Great post! I do think it’s ridiculous women’s fiction isn’t taken very seriously. Like somehow women’s emotions and interior lives just aren’t worthy. Also, I’ve watched plenty of movies made for men by men that I find ridiculous or pointless, but I don’t feel the need to make fun of people for enjoying them. I can’t imagine why some critics feel so personally offended by women’s fiction. Just don’t read/watch it?

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    1. Thank you! I completely agree with you. And when you mention women’s interior lives being taken seriously, it made me think of how a lot of books previously deemed “women’s fiction”, such as anything by Austen, become the classics of the future. Obviously, the books critiqued usually aren’t of that quality, but yeah, it definitely makes me think about how bizarre this phenomenon is. And I really agree with you.

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  17. I agree with Krysta.. And nothing says it more perfectly than James Bond. So thank you for that! I do like James Bond movies. But honestly if the movie was supposed to be just about the mystery, there wouldn’t be a need for the story to have so many ladies falling for the spy – which is the ultimate male fantasy if I’ve ever heard one. But if we get one good movie with just a mention of true love or a bunch of hot guys – since both are good female fantasy material 😉 – its put in a not to be taken seriously category

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  18. YESSSS, this post. 1000% agree! There’s a really great video about Twilight and how so much of the hate directed toward it and Meyers was because of how much people just hate everything that teenage girls enjoy. And the point about the popular portrayals of women in movies being those ‘strong women’ who are more like men? On point. I know Kate Elliott has written an essay before about women characters and how women aren’t monoliths but are always, nonetheless, relegated to about 3 different roles. I’d like us to be able to enjoy girly girls once in a while, there’s nothing wrong with that. A little sick of the ‘not like other girls’ trope too–it’s pretty insidious because it implies there’s something wrong with girls being girls to begin with!

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    1. Really glad you agree! Yes I think I saw that video- it could be the dear stephanie meyer video I included- or I think there was another similar one which I’ve forgotten which was called sorry stephanie meyer. But yes, completely agree with you, there’s a strong hatred towards things teenage girls enjoy and it’s ridiculous frankly. And yes that’s so true about women being relegated to very specific roles. I absolutely agree with you. And yeah I’m not a fan of the not-like-other girls trope (which always ends with a character who is 100% like all the other YA heroine characters 😂)

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  19. Okay, but I love this post so so SO much!! I hate that anything aimed at women, or that has a female protagonist is somehow “less” than shit aimed at men. No offense, but (male) action movies are just as unrealistic as romantic comedies? There’s nothing wrong with that, they’re for entertainment, but you gotta love how “girly” movies are demeaned, while “manly” movies are held up as something good. Smh. And the thing about girls not being allowed to be girly reminded me of Wonder Woman – I saw people say she was too girly or immature because she got excited about ice cream. As if a woman being excited about something, something she hasn’t tried before was something to be ashamed of, or hide? I don’t understand people, I swear. Again, great discussion! 🙂

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    1. Thank you! I’m really glad you agree! And yeah, I’m not saying people shouldn’t enjoy them, but they’re equally fantastical. Absolutely! Oh I didn’t hear that- that’s so ridiculous! I really liked that she was allowed to show emotion in that movie, cos too often women in movies have to be totally stoic, which is annoying imo. Yeah, me too. Thank you!

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  20. I’m not a fan of romance and rom-coms, but they have their place in the world – and I agree that a “strong” woman shouldn’t have to literally be strong, as in, kick ass, to be taken seriously. There are plenty of ways to be strong. Also, I refuse to be labeled as “girly” because I never leave the house without make up – that’s part of my identity. Other women never wear make up, so what? Are they not real women? Or am I frilly?

    Quote: “I think we can move past the idea that “girly” automatically means “less good”. I want to see women being more fairly represented as we are. And that shouldn’t be a controversial statement.”
    That’s a great bottom line!

    Awesome (and splendidly articulated) post as usual! I’ll definitely link to it in my Tooting Your Trumpet post for October!

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    1. That’s totally fair- I don’t expect everyone to like them, but I think they have their place and a lot of people (including me 😉 ) like them a lot. Absolutely! I really agree that there are so many ways to be strong- I think a lot of the time not showing that comes down to lazy storytelling tbh. And that’s totally fair- I don’t think wearing makeup makes you more or less a woman- if it did, I’d only be a woman half the time… and the rest I’d probably be a gremlin 😉

      Thank you!! That’s really kind of you! ❤

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  21. I think culturally we often make the mistake of valuing anything targeted at women as somehow inferior, yet another example of sexist thinking, some of which has been internalized. It doesn’t have to be for everyone and isn’t trying to be. That said, if you close your mind to something because of its classification, you’ll almost certainly miss out on gems from time to time.

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  22. Totally agree with you, 100%! Bring back the rom-coms! I realized new ones were made as often but, I honestly didn’t know that was on purpose. Wow. 😭 I love all things ‘girly’ & I just ignore the criticism, that I mostly get from other women…

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  23. Totally agree, and the links look good as well.

    Andrew Klavan, my (ahem) male author hero, has some good stuff to say about this. Today I heard him take a question from a guy who said, “Please tell my wife that the Hallmark channel is trash and she shouldn’t make me watch it.” Klavan responded, “She shouldn’t make you watch it, but it isn’t trash. Women should be allowed to have their fantasies too.” Spot on with what you just said.

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      1. Oh my gosh, if you ever make time for it, you are in for a treat!

        I haven’t read all his stuff yet, but I have read a few. (Including Werewolf Cop. WEREWOLF COP!!!)

        My favorite so far is Identity Man. Sorry if I’ve mentioned this before. I get these crushes on books, you see …

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  24. I want to share this post ONE BILLION TIMES! This is such a fantastic discussion, and I agree with everything you said! It’s so upsetting how movies which revolve around a more “feminine” message or those which express feminine qualities in a positive light, are slanted by the media. For whatever reason, the mass media is trying to tell women that we have to be these kick-butt warriors, but I frankly, miss the days of seeing these amazing female leads in rom-coms that make me laugh until I can’t breathe. *sigh*

    Lovely post!! ❤

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    1. Thank you so much!! I’m really glad you agree (and frankly relieved to not be the only one who feels this way). And I definitely agree with you. While I do like the occasional kick-butt hero, it really bothers me that this has become the typical character in media, which is such a shame, cos I miss the rom com female leads too!
      Thank you! ❤

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  25. Such great points Orangutan!! I personally love both girly themes like rom coms (which I miss too!) as well as masculinized media. I’m not sure why both sexes can’t enjoy both types of media. Why is it okay for women only to expand their horizons. Movies do seem to target men for the most part though… ❤

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  26. Yasss! And what better way to illustrate than one song that I love by Keith Urban: Female. There is a part where he says “When you hear somebody say somebody hits like a girl
    How does that hit you?
    Is that such a bad thing?”.

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  27. Fantastic post! You make some really interesting points I hadn’t even thought of before. I enjoy a good dose of “girly” films and books and don’t feel apologetic for it, but I have noticed they get disproportionately criticised and looked down on in comparison to other things I read/watch.

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